number of times on "mad money." growing very quickly, they say 65 lbo, forget about it, there's not a chance i would vote in favor of that. that's 12 times, but not nearly enough. i would rather they just increase their turns of lempvere a little bit and buy back stock or pay us something and keep going here, because they believe there's 10% potential organic revenue growth for the future of this company, jim. therefore, they would not sell unless there was a much higher price. as for strategics, ge, danaher, and roesh, all thrown into that bucket. >> david, this is the jewel. if you go to any of the big biotech companies, you'll see, like technologies, equipment, i always thought the alumina would never happen. the most recent iteration is a killer.